Mustard and Blue

Joetimo wrote:I used to be very moderate, but after last years election I bent completely right until I realized the Right is just as bad as the Left. Why Palin and McCain were running together is beyond me. Romney and Ron Paul would have been amazing.

McCain just wanted to make sure that he completely contradicted everything he had said before the serious campaigning started. I was ready to vote for him until the Belmont debate, when he suggested that we actually go through with the bailout.

I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, it's just the way that he says it that scares me. Romney struck me as a very good choice for the Vice Presidency seat, and I think McCain would have won the election with him instead of Palin. He's a guy that complements McCain well.

It's a shame that Bredesen will be too old to run in 2012 (69), I think he would've done a fine job in the White House, and not just because he's a Predators fan.

Joetimo wrote:I used to be very moderate, but after last years election I bent completely right until I realized the Right is just as bad as the Left. Why Palin and McCain were running together is beyond me. Romney and Ron Paul would have been amazing.

Wait a minute!!! I think you may be a little turned around.

McCain was/is worthless. (Please forget VP candidates whoever they are.) Shame on the big mouth radio talk show dudes who encouraged conservatives to vote for McCain. BOTTOM LINE: You are a libertarian conservative, McCain is worthless. Please don't judge "The Right" by McCain who isn't a man of the Right and most certainly isn't a Libertarian.

When the Republican Party presents us with a wretched choice like McCain or Bush The Uniter or Lips Bush, our duty as men of the right is to deprive the Republican Party of our vote for President and vote for the Presidential candidates of the Libertarian or Constitution Party as I have done time after time as a protest. That should not deter us, however, from being active in The Republican Party so that RINO candidates like that NEVER get the Republican nomination in the first place.

worstfaceoffmanever wrote:

Joetimo wrote:I used to be very moderate, but after last years election I bent completely right until I realized the Right is just as bad as the Left. Why Palin and McCain were running together is beyond me. Romney and Ron Paul would have been amazing.

McCain just wanted to make sure that he completely contradicted everything he had said before the serious campaigning started. I was ready to vote for him until the Belmont debate, when he suggested that we actually go through with the bailout.

I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, it's just the way that he says it that scares me. Romney struck me as a very good choice for the Vice Presidency seat, and I think McCain would have won the election with him instead of Palin. He's a guy that complements McCain well.

It's a shame that Bredesen will be too old to run in 2012 (69), I think he would've done a fine job in the White House, and not just because he's a Predators fan.

McCain and Bredesen are a great combination for your enthusiasm because they are both moderates as you seem to be, though your ". . .liking a lot of what Ron Paul says. . ." gives me reason to hope.

The pull of gravity in the government/media complex that is Washington is Left so moderates quickly get gobbled up and become liberal of one stripe or another shortly after taking office if they know what is good for them. Thus, moderates are almost useless if your goal is stopping the scourge of liberalism.

worstfaceoffmanever wrote:

Joetimo wrote:I used to be very moderate, but after last years election I bent completely right until I realized the Right is just as bad as the Left. Why Palin and McCain were running together is beyond me. Romney and Ron Paul would have been amazing.

McCain just wanted to make sure that he completely contradicted everything he had said before the serious campaigning started. I was ready to vote for him until the Belmont debate, when he suggested that we actually go through with the bailout.

I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, it's just the way that he says it that scares me. Romney struck me as a very good choice for the Vice Presidency seat, and I think McCain would have won the election with him instead of Palin. He's a guy that complements McCain well.

It's a shame that Bredesen will be too old to run in 2012 (69), I think he would've done a fine job in the White House, and not just because he's a Predators fan.

Ronald Reagan was by far the best president we have had in recent memory. I stand by Reagan and his beliefs.

If I had my way, Romney would have been President and Ron Paul would have been VP. Of course, America wouldn't vote for a mormon... but whatever. That is why Romney lost the nomination.

As for the GOP, I am proud to be a registered conservative, but I will always be vocalizing for a reformation of the party. We need to go back to the basics of Reagan and of the roots of the party. If Republicans tap into the Libertarian and Constitutional parties, they could have a large shot of steroids for the next election. I will always vote Republican over the insane beast that has become the Democratic party.

The defining moment for me was when I watched the GOP convention last year and the liberals in the dorm were jeering the TV, tarnishing McCain's service record and I quote "Look at how stupid he looks when he tries to lift his arms! This guy is supposed to be President? Under him the rich will only get richer etc."

That is perhaps the one moment I have ever lost my cool when it came to politics and got right up in one of their faces and said so many four letter words and derogatory names that even 101st would have to ban me if I typed them out on here. Freaking ridiculous.

The problem is that you can't say left or right anymore. Both sides believe the power of the government is in Washington DC not in the two hands of every single citizen of America. The federal government has no faith in the solutions of the people. Shear fact of the matter is every idea and bill coming out of Washington is an insult to me starting that the federal government does not believe in my ability to run my own life. Most of my problems are caused by the government getting into my way.

We spend years saying the governement is incompetant and wasteful yet we allow them to take more and more power. All I can say is we are in the midst of an interesting time in America.

CLUB LEVEL GUY wrote:McCain and Bredesen are a great combination for your enthusiasm because they are both moderates as you seem to be, though your ". . .liking a lot of what Ron Paul says. . ." gives me reason to hope.

The pull of gravity in the government/media complex that is Washington is Left so moderates quickly get gobbled up and become liberal of one stripe or another shortly after taking office if they know what is good for them. Thus, moderates are almost useless if your goal is stopping the scourge of liberalism.

I'm actually a staunch Constitutionalist/Libertarian, adherent to the philosophies of John Locke (broad personal freedoms without infringing upon the rights of others) and Adam Smith (minimal government interference in economic affairs).

However, I find it disheartening that many current Libertarians are little more than misguided Republicans and continue to promote conservative social ideology within the party. How anyone can think that outlawing abortion is a good idea is beyond me.

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I will always vote Republican over the insane beast that has become the Democratic party.


"The better of two evils is EVIL"! Nice aphorism that, don't you think?

So long as The Republican Party is assured of having libertarian/conservatives like yourelf in its hip pocket no matter what on the ground that the Republican candidate is nowhere near as obnoxious as the Dem, the Republican Party can go left with impunity. As a result, well, McCain, Bush The Uniter, Dole, Lips Bush - like that rogues gallary of inadequate candidates?

If not, well sir, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! NEVER GIVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOUR VOTE NO MATTER WHAT.

Please, watch the liberals. With little over 20% of the voters of this country on their side they completely control one of the two major parties in this country. Watch how they play the Democratic Party like Charlie Daniels plays his fiddle.

LET US WATCH, AND GO AND DO LIKEWISE to the GOP.

worstfaceoffmanever wrote:

CLUB LEVEL GUY wrote:McCain and Bredesen are a great combination for your enthusiasm because they are both moderates as you seem to be, though your ". . .liking a lot of what Ron Paul says. . ." gives me reason to hope.

The pull of gravity in the government/media complex that is Washington is Left so moderates quickly get gobbled up and become liberal of one stripe or another shortly after taking office if they know what is good for them. Thus, moderates are almost useless if your goal is stopping the scourge of liberalism.

I'm actually a staunch Constitutionalist/Libertarian, adherent to the philosophies of John Locke (broad personal freedoms without infringing upon the rights of others) and Adam Smith (minimal government interference in economic affairs).

However, I find it disheartening that many current Libertarians are little more than misguided Republicans and continue to promote conservative social ideology within the party. How anyone can think that outlawing abortion is a good idea is beyond me.

I would agree with you on that point. I think Conservatives need to revamp their image a little and go back to the small government side and stop doing the whole abortion and stem cell thing.

CLUB LEVEL GUY wrote:

Joetimo wrote:

worstfaceoffmanever wrote:

Joetimo wrote:
I will always vote Republican over the insane beast that has become the Democratic party.


"The better of two evils is EVIL"! Nice aphorism that, don't you think?

So long as The Republican Party is assured of having libertarian/conservatives like yourelf in its hip pocket no matter what on the ground that the Republican candidate is nowhere near as obnoxious as the Dem, the Republican Party can go left with impunity. As a result, well, McCain, Bush The Uniter, Dole, Lips Bush - like that rogues gallary of inadequate candidates?

If not, well sir, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! NEVER GIVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOUR VOTE NO MATTER WHAT.

Please, watch the liberals. With little over 20% of the voters of this country on their side they completely control one of the two major parties in this country. Watch how they play the Democratic Party like Charlie Daniels plays his fiddle.

LET US WATCH, AND GO AND DO LIKEWISE to the GOP.

Now hold on there, I said that I would be vocal about reforming the GOP party. Sure a lesser known party is almost like throwing a vote away, but I feel like if Republicans are able to leave this whole big government idea behind I would be much more open to them than I currently am. I don't consider myself a conservative though I voted that way this past election, I consider myself a Libertarian. No of course I am not happy, I wanted Ron Paul and Romney because I felt like they had a chance to win and their beliefs matched closely with mine.

Right now the Dems are pulling each other apart. Right now is the prime opportunity to reform the GOP and the Libertarian/ Constitutionalists are the place to start. A grass roots movement for a smaller government and fiscal responsibility would usher in a new age for Republicans and Libertarians. I would encourage the staunch GOP members to drop the old banner and rally behind a new one.

Joetimo wrote:
I would agree with you on that point. I think Conservatives need to revamp their image a little and go back to the small government side and stop doing the whole abortion and stem cell thing.

However, with the Bible Belt at the heart of the Republican constituency, the party is unlikely veer away from that platform for some time, and will continue to push that platform until the party collapses or something changes in the ideological landscape of the Southeast.